So spirit is a metaphor. K. Got It.
Jon Preston
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane ini've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane ini've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
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Jon Preston
I apologize if ive deviated from topic, but the topic is changing from a question about spirit to analyzing and assuming peoples motives behind it.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane ini've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
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Jon Preston
Caliber...if someone had to prove truth to themselves....which even christ stood for (truth) they would need to ask questions. If they dont understand or it makes zero bit of sense or isnt measurable or you cannot prove it exists at all, how can you ask someone to believe in it? How can you believe in something you dont know or really understand?
For me, if you claim spirit is real, and you can prove it, or lead me to a solid understanding of its function and existence, i would believe it.
For a long time people believed the sun and planets revolved around the earth...yet when proof was found that the earth and planets revolved around the sun, who had a harder time accepting that as true? Think deeply.
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What is spirit, exactly?
by Viviane ini've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
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Jon Preston
Yes vid, remember all those things we done know are quite a ways away, yes? Yet spirit, God, angels, demons are right here interacting with us and/or watching over us....yet theres zero proof of any of it...no way of measuring their frequency, should they be on some different plane of existence....
so if spirits in us and is its own entity or has its own set of constructs......
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Bible Atrocities
by Trapped in JW land ini really can't wrap my head around how people can still consider god loving with such atrocious biblical accounts such as, 1 samuel 15, (god ordering the slaughter of amelikite baby's and children) 2nd kings 2, forgot the verses (god sending bears to maul 42 children) and many others.have you ever asked a witness or anyone elsewhat they think about these accounts?
what was their response?
i'd love to ask one, but unfortunately i'm still physically in the cult and i wouldn't want to raise any suspicions.
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Jon Preston
God thought Adam and Eve should fall....there was no other way for them to reach glory than to condemn all humans to sickness, suffering, murder, torture, etc etc etc? God seems lazy and indifferent at best.
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17 calls? Are you kidding me?!?!
by Jon Preston inwell my wife and i still arent attending meetings....we first agreed to go here and there...oops.
anyways we missed the last meeting and suddenly our phone blew up!
it was like 17 missed calls!
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Jon Preston
Well what a fine luxury for you oberon...some of us have wives or husbands with family in. My wife isnt at the stage where i can just DA and all will be honky dory. I am honest with myself. I know who i am and who i am not. I owe absolutely zip to them. I am free to do what i will. So point your fingers at me off your soap box, but remember how many others have had to do the same as me.
How am i leading anyone on? I havent said, "yes elder sir i will promise to be a better witness and get back to the meetings". I told them that we are great and that if we need anything i would let someone know. Gee that sure sounds cruel eh?
Plead your case to someone else, it has no bearing on me.
Thanks coma.
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17 calls? Are you kidding me?!?!
by Jon Preston inwell my wife and i still arent attending meetings....we first agreed to go here and there...oops.
anyways we missed the last meeting and suddenly our phone blew up!
it was like 17 missed calls!
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Jon Preston
And actually the scenario youve put forth seems more cruel to me than me just telling them that we are great and we will ask for help if we need it, which is what Ive done...so please stop assuming things Based on incomplete information
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17 calls? Are you kidding me?!?!
by Jon Preston inwell my wife and i still arent attending meetings....we first agreed to go here and there...oops.
anyways we missed the last meeting and suddenly our phone blew up!
it was like 17 missed calls!
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Jon Preston
for months oberon there wasnt much contact...then suddenly several drop bys without warning, constant phone calls? Asking if they should be worried? The same sister who asked that is the same who warned me to steer of someone in the ha because they had worldly tendencies and was spiritually weak.
And you may be accused of the same as I. Youre assuming i am cruel or hirting them when you have no idea how they are feeling nor are you fully aware. More the pot calling the kettle black.
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Bible Atrocities
by Trapped in JW land ini really can't wrap my head around how people can still consider god loving with such atrocious biblical accounts such as, 1 samuel 15, (god ordering the slaughter of amelikite baby's and children) 2nd kings 2, forgot the verses (god sending bears to maul 42 children) and many others.have you ever asked a witness or anyone elsewhat they think about these accounts?
what was their response?
i'd love to ask one, but unfortunately i'm still physically in the cult and i wouldn't want to raise any suspicions.
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Jon Preston
Kinda like how god told eve she would die if she ate the fruit without eve having the slightest inkling of an idea about what death was. Didnt know the consequences and was ignorant of disobedience until the disobedience was carried out. Yet God cursed us all because of a mistake of eating fruit and listening to a snake. Then punishes snakes instead of satan....yet he says hes merciful and loving. Hmmm.
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17 calls? Are you kidding me?!?!
by Jon Preston inwell my wife and i still arent attending meetings....we first agreed to go here and there...oops.
anyways we missed the last meeting and suddenly our phone blew up!
it was like 17 missed calls!
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Jon Preston
Heres the thing Oberon...they are spying...utilizing good little deeds to find out why we arent at meetings and what we are up to. I know the technique. I am in a different situation. I dont have family in. I live in a small town, love my privacy, and i know these loving acts are only to do one thing...save me from this spiritual weakness they all think i have. If they wanted to come hang out all they have to do is ask...but no its "can i drop by", "can i bring you somentoys my study gave me".......to me thats a ploy to spy. An elders wife whos elder hisband doesnt want to come and just hang out but is on secret society business under the guise of charity and kindness.